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Hatboro Residents Take On Wawa

A crowd filled Pennypack Elementary School Tuesday night to challenge plans to build a new convenience store at Horsham and York roads.

 

A petition nearly 1,000 signatures strong could stop the Wawa proposed for Horsham and York roads in Hatboro before plans formally get underway.

That was the sentiment shared with a standing-room-only crowd of nearly 200 Hatboro residents opposed to the potential demolition of centuries old buildings to make way for a 5,102-square-foot convenience store with six gas pumps.

Leslie Jones, in addressing Wawa representatives on hand Tuesday night at Pennypack Elementary School, said the campaign of the newly formed Hatboro Residents’ Association has so far collected 978 signatures against the plan.

“And the drive is still in full force,” Jones said. “Will this knowledge affect your decision to purchase the property? Yes or no.”

After briefly consulting fellow Wawa representatives seated at the table beside him, John Zaharchuk of Summit Realty Advisors, the developer heading up the project, acknowledged that opposition could impact the eventual outcome.

“We don’t even have the property under agreement right now,” he said. “That does weigh into the decision.”

After the roughly two-hour meeting, Zaharchuk told Patch the decision “would be made by the entire development team” and that he did not know at what point the Pennsylvania headquartered convenience store giant would be prepared to walk away.

Wawa officials have not yet filed plans with Hatboro to build the proposed store and when asked by Patch Tuesday, representatives said it was “too soon to tell” when plans might be submitted. Generally speaking, the development process takes about six months, Wawa representatives said. However, since the site Wawa is considering is zoned for residential use, Wawa would need to apply for and be granted a variance from the borough’s zoning hearing board.

Residents broached that issue, as well as quality of life concerns dealing with increased traffic and the impact to neighbors living literally feet away from the property. Flooding and the loss of nearly 300-year-old buildings were the topics that drew ire from many in attendance and seemed to unify the oft-applauding crowd.

“I can’t believe you’re going to destroy it. I just can’t believe it,” said Bruce Smith of the planned demolition of the building currently housing Spa Escape and two adjoining properties. “We have to cherish the value of these buildings." 

Others pointed out that one of the structures will mark its 300th birthday in 2015 when Hatboro celebrates its tricentennial.

“How does that show respect for our community?” Heather Hamilton asked of plans to demolish it. “It doesn’t.”

Preliminary plans involve the preservation of the shuttered and flood-ravished Old Mill Inn, Zaharchuk said. When pressed for specifics on how that would be done, he said, “To indicate what we might do with the Old Mill is a little presumptuous.”

The first floor of the building is unusable, he said, but the hope is that the second and third floors could be salvaged.

“A use must accompany the structure to ensure long-term preservation of the building,” he said.

Linda Clauser, the owner of the building previously housed by Quig’s Pizzeria and Grille, said Wawa is not the enemy.

“Somebody’s selling the property and selling that property to them,” Clauser said, addressing residents. “I don’t think the Old Mill could look any worse than it does now.”

Based on comment after comment from residents opposed to the Wawa, Clauser appeared to be in the minority – at least of those present Tuesday night. In a poll on a previous Patch article, 73 percent of 745 respondents said they were in favor of a second Wawa in Hatboro. 

The properties

Besides the hope of preserving the Old Mill, which Zaharchuk said would be “up to the borough” in terms of who would own it, the Wawa proposal includes the demolition of the building currently housing Spa Escape, as well as a former nursing home and a residential property on the rear of lower Horsham Road. Of the residence, Zaharchuk said he did not know if the property owner was in favor of having their home torn down.

“We haven’t had any direct communication,” Zaharchuk said after the meeting. When asked if the owners knew of Wawa’s intent, Zaharchuk responded, “I suspect they do.”

Traffic

Residents shared anecdotes about traffic jams, inability to pull out of their driveways during rush hour and plans to avoid the intersection should the Wawa come to fruition.

Traffic engineer Jennifer Walsh said that if Wawa moves forward, 10 surrounding intersections would be studied as part of the project’s overall traffic study. Counts would be taken during morning peak hours of 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. and afternoon peak hours of 4 p.m. to 6 p.m.

It’s required of new developments to “mitigate the impact to what they were operating at before,” Walsh said, adding that Wawa customers would likely amount to drivers already on the road. The store, she said, is not expected to generate a significant number of new trips.

Flooding

Wawa representative Joel DelliCarpini said a reduction in the site’s existing impervious coverage, as well as additional stormwater management controls would help to “mitigate the impacts” of flooding at that heavily flooded intersection, where during last year’s storms dumpsters floated away, vehicles were left stranded and the Old Mill Inn endured the brunt of the storm.

“Water takes over,” said Tracy Thatford, a Woodwinds resident who is considering a FEMA/PEMA buyout of her flood-damaged home.

DelliCarpini said the hope is to “alleviate,” not “correct the flooding issue.”

The future

If Wawa’s plans move forward, Wawa Regional Real Estate Manager Susan Bratton said the store would pay an estimated $30,000 in annual taxes and would employ 40 to 45 associates. Roughly half of the employees would be full-time and would receive benefits, she said.

When a resident asked how much financial benefit the corporation currently reaps – or stands to reap - Bratton said, “We do not share that data with anybody.”

In terms of the existing North York Road location, Bratton told Patch that Wawa reps would “evaluate” whether or not to keep the 23-year-old store open.

Later, when residents pondered similar questions, Bratton seemed to hint that the older store, sans gas pumps, could be closed.

“As we mature in a marketplace we are building new facilities and frankly closing older facilities,” Bratton said. “That’s the beauty of real estate.”

But, if the same were to be true of the new site, with its proposed gas pumps, what could the land be used for years down the road, Catalina Mladim asked.

“Have you done any studies in terms of life beyond Wawa? What happens if this is not successful?” Mladim asked, referring to at least one shuttered gas station on Easton Road in Horsham. “How many gas stations have ever been converted to something else?”

Related Topics: Hatboro, Horsham and York roads, Old Mill Inn, Traffic, Wawa, historic buildings, and residential zoning

eileen

11:17 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

I am totally mystified by the Bratton quote "that's the beauty of real estate." So, Wawa thinks that tearing down 300 year old treasures to put up a hideous Wawa store that they will probably abandon in 23 years to tear down some more treasures to put up more Wawas is the BEAUTY of real estate??? That is, by far, the most insane comment I have ever heard on a topic like this. Once those buildings are gone, they're gone forever and frankly, a crappy brick and orange WAWA does not make up for the loss. This would be an absolute shame that could never be undone. And, Wawa, if any of you over there are reading this...if you tear down those buildings to put up an eyesore, you've lost at least one customer for life. Find a new spot to uglify.

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Toni Kistner

8:13 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

The people have spoken, now let's see how much it matters to this company and how much it matters to Council, who has the final say in whether or not to allow Wawa to build, by approving the changes to the existing ordinances, that currently block such a proposal.

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Always Watching

10:29 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I think the "conceptual rendering" of the proposed store by WAWA looks very nice. I do have to agree about the traffic concerns. It already takes 10 minutes just to drive the 1/2 mile through downtown Hatboro.

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Dolores Forget

10:30 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I can meet you somewhere in town with the petition if you would like to sign. Just let me know.

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Craig Peters

10:31 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

The last thing we need is yet another Wawa --- not at that specific location, anyway. We already have several gas station Wawas within a mile or two of that proposed location ... do we really need to change the character of that end of town so dramatically to accommodate one more? I will happily add my name to the petition if the opportunity arises.

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Jason G

11:32 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

It really doesn't matter what you sign, Wawa has the cash, and every town across the country cares little what you say anymore, they only see tax income and also tax paying low income jobs. I would still sign it anyway if there was a way for me to do so, I live two blocks behind town.

Common sense says, we have one working wawa, a 7-11 one street light down, two large gas stations at the north of town, one in the middle and another on Easton road, we don't need anymore. But common sense and politics are like oil and water, the just don't mix well.

As soon as the new Wawa opens, they will putter along with the old one for a few months and then close it, you see it happening all over. The last few lines in the above paragraph state that that is the corporate intention.

Well, whats to stop people from getting their coffee, hoagies, and cheap gas, certainly not 300 year old buildings.

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Mary Cummings

9:25 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Jason, if you are on FB, check out Hatboro Life. In the photo album, there are copies of the petition. If you want to print and sign, we can figure out a drop off point. or....You seem like you'd contribute good thoughts to the Resident's Association. Come out to the next meeting on March 22 at Lehman Church. You can drop off your petition then and share your ideas.

Chelle F.

12:08 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I respect your opinion of a Wawa store/gas station being an 'eyesore' but I feel like the 15+ empty store fronts, in a less then 1 mile stretch, are an eyesore! I appreciate the iconic value of the Old Mill Inn but in reality - it is just another empty, unkempt building with overgrown and out of control landscaping, sitting useless.
Has anyone considered moving the Old Mill Inn to the field across the street? Perhaps Millers Field could be the new location for preserving the historical buildings, not in use, of Hatboro. It could be an educational attraction.
As for 20 years down the road, IF the Wawa gas station closed - a Gooogle search shows that gas stations all across america and the world, have been converted into unique homes, cafes, restaurants, car dealerships, hair salons and more.
In reality, Wawa has the money to make this purchase and Hatboro needs the money. The next time a storm knocks power out and you need milk, cat food or cigarettes = you will be there and Wawa will be there for you!

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Denise Avnet-Adamczyk

4:06 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

According to your line of thinking, if Wawa decides to bow out of their plan and a strip club comes in to buy the properties, that's fine - better to have the tax revenue, even if our town's last remaining historical buildings are destroyed forever! The fact is, there is an economic downturn and it's just a difficult time for our town right now. The economy will eventually turn around (in fact, it already is), and more entrepeneurs will be looking to open up businesses, which will bring us more tax revenue. But guess what? Those buildings will still be gone and nothing will bring them back. The charm and beauty of our town will also be gone - we'll be nothing more than a glorified strip mall - and Hatboro will become a less attractive destination, and therefore less attractive for business owners. This Wawa is simply an incredibly bad idea, period.

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Chelle F.

9:15 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

WOW! Clearly, you only processed what you wanted to from what I typed. I suggested MOVING the O.M.I and making it AND OTHER historical buildings, an educational attraction. How does that say, "bring in the strippers?"
How do you feel the economy is turning around (worldwide) and in Hatboro, specifically. I see nothing but vacant properties on York Road. Trader Joe's doesn't think Hatboro is their clientele; Aaron's Rent a Center does. So, please tell me WHAT entrepreneurs, that meet your approval, are looking to fill the spaces of the more then FIFTEEN empty store fronts, in less then one mile of York Road.
Also, I would like to know what you have done to personally preserve the historic buildings of Hatboro?

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Joe Downey Sr.

9:44 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Thank you Chelle F. Very well spoken. People in Hatboro should think carefully about your post.

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EE

4:47 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Chelle some good points but the Mill is only an eyesore because of the forclosure an there is no upkeep going on..It has alot of potential.The field across the street really fills with water in the bad storms.The Mill is designed to take on water it was just a very bad idea to put a restaurant there.If the first floor is gutted the other floors can serve as an educational attraction.As far as Wawa being there for you,I depend on my family an friends to be there for me.Wawa is not there for you they are there for your money.How many times have you gone into Wawa an the manager said hello Chelle you order is free today?They are a business out to make money.

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Mary Cummings

9:29 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Hi Chelle!
That's a good point. I like the Wawa in town. You can actually walk there in a power outage. Additionally, Wawa (one business) will probably provide less tax revenue than three thriving businesses on that corner and will be less of an environmental hazard. If people are patient and work hard (which we all know can be rare these days...which is why convenience seems to matter over substance), we can draw preservationist buyers and get people into those buildings. Spa Escape is a wonderful thriving business. Why not do a little hard work, save our buildings and get those charming boutiques and restaurants in a year or so. By the way, it will take 2 years to get this built, on my best estimation. In that time, if Hatboro works together, we could fill those buildings.

Denise Avnet-Adamczyk

2:17 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

The statement in the article that says "In a poll on a previous Patch article, 73 percent of 745 respondents said they were in favor of a second Wawa in Hatboro" just kills me. I saw the poll, and it simply asks if people are in favor of a second Wawa - but no mention of WHERE the Wawa may be located. Let's get one thing straight: residents aren't against a second Wawa - they are against a second Wawa in THAT location. The poll is highly flawed, in my opinion, and shouldn't even be cited in this article.

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Theresa Katalinas

3:41 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

The article clearly states where the Wawa is proposed. Anyone reading it would know where the second Wawa is proposed.

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Joe Downey Sr.

9:46 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

You need to get your facts straight.

Bonnie Hunkins

2:37 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I believe that it should be clarified that the tax revenue that Hatboro will actually receive per year from Wawa is not stated in this article. Because of a state cap on the amount of such tax, the tax revenue to benefit Hatboro will be a mere $700, not $30,000.

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Theresa Katalinas

3:43 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Bonnie,
As stated at last night's meeting, the $700 is a business privilege tax. I believe that's a separate type of tax than the $30,000 that Wawa officials referenced.

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Bonnie Hunkins

5:12 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Undoubtedly you are correct about that business privilege tax, Theresa, but what has been stressed in the conversations that I have heard about this topic is that $700 per year is the highest amount of tax money that Hatboro would see from that $30,000. I do not consider an extra $700 per year revenue from Wawa all that helpful to our town budget.

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Mary Cummings

9:32 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

I believe the property taxes are in the 30,000 range. How much of that goes directly to Hatboro? And how much tax income would three thriving businesses get on that corner and not just one??

Denise Avnet-Adamczyk

3:57 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Theresa, the article states where the Wawa is proposed to be built, but the poll question does not. Asking "are you in favor of a second Wawa?" is not the same as asking "are you in favor of a second Wawa in the proposed location?". Just my take, it's a VERY flawed poll and considering there is no way to monitor whether or not the respondents were residents of Hatboro, I don't think it should be mentioned in the article at all.

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Theresa Katalinas

4:03 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Denise,
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, the poll was part of the article in which I referenced where the Wawa was proposed to be built. If it had been worded the way you suggest, the poll still would not have mentioned that the site being considered is at Horsham and York roads.

John Q Public

4:00 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Not allowing wawa to develop an existing eye sore like the old mill property is signing the death certificate for Hatboro commerce. Do we really want to send the message to potential businesses that if we don't like you, and you aren't welcome? What makes us (the residents) experts? I wasn't completely sold on the 55 and older development but the alternatives were much worse (INCLUDING BEING VACANT). Let wawa give Hatboro the shot in the arm it needs, so that other vacant properties look more appealing. When the Hatboro resident association comes up with a sold, no fail business plan to open up businesses in town as an alternative, then we can start to dictate. Don't hate wawa for trying to make a buck... It's called progress. Traffic is never going to get better. You don't like it, hold your council accountable or hold your tongue. We need the economic stimulus in the community. Flooding will never be fixed, traffic will always existing, and teenagers will always be loitering. Get over yourselves.

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GetOffMyLawn!

4:44 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Why so angry, Mr. Public? You should take a yoga class... they offer them in town.

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EE

4:37 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

John i personally don't know anyone that hates Wawa.I go there everyday i just don't think they fit on that corner.The COC need to get a plan together there are firms that can be brought in to help figure out how to get the town up an running agian.It isn't the HRA's job to fix the town overnight they are just tring to help.If anyone is to blame it is our elected officials for dropping the ball an letting it get this bad.As for vacant buildings if Wawa goes in what happens to the gas station at York and Byberry.The residents aren't experts on these issues but they do elect officials to run our town an do whats best.They have dropped the ball,these problems didn't happen over night.The problems should have never gotten this bad if the elected officials can't fix it maybe the voters need to find replacements.To many of our officials are on a power trip.

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Mary Cummings

9:34 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Yes, progress. Progressing towards what? That's the question we have to ask ourselves.

Denise Avnet-Adamczyk

4:16 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Theresa, I doubt we're ever going to see eye to eye on this - but my response to "do you support a second Wawa in Hatboro?" would be a "Yes". My response to "do you support a second Wawa at the proposed site in Hatboro?" - which would obviously be implied by the article - would be "No". I just don't feel the poll was very clear. If you can't see my point on this, then I see no reason to further debate. But I am pretty sure that 73% of our residents have no interest in seeing a Wawa built on that site, so again I'm not sure why the poll was mentioned, my impression is that it is incredibly accurate. That said, I enjoy reading your articles and I appreciate your efforts to keep our community informed of the current issues.

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Dolores Forget

4:47 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I am willing to bet most in favor of a second Wawa don't LIVE in Hatboro either.

borobuzz

4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

By the numbers, 7200 residents in Hatboro, 200 attended the meeting and about 1000 have signed the petition. The way I look at it, about 3% to 14% of the community is not for Wawa. Looks like the silent majority has spoken…….build it!

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GetOffMyLawn!

4:47 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I think the NO WAWA-ers own the squeakier wheel in town. Feel free to start a YES PLEASE I'D LIKE A SUPERWAWA petition. I won't sign it.

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Denise Avnet-Adamczyk

5:09 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Borobuzz, I don't even know why I'm replying because from your previous posts I can see you are an instigator, but have you considered the fact that a good portion of our residents have children that count into that 7200? We are not talking about 7200 adult residents that haven't signed the petition, we are talking about a much smaller number than that. And silence does not equal support.

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Joe Downey Sr.

9:50 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I agree, if all thee people were against it, where were they last night?

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indiana jones

3:48 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

@boro buzz - 7200 residents. about 3500 households. about 1000 signatures and the petitioning has just started. already have a third of households saying NO WAWA. and the fat lady ain't sung yet. so plan on getting your gas/coffee/smokes somewhere else.

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EE

4:05 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

If the majority wanted something they would have shown up to the meeting.Just like the unofficial patch pole over 700 people voted for the Wawa.Where were they the other night?I really think the majority doesn't care either way ,an if there are so many for it where were they?

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Mary Cummings

9:36 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

I think boro buzz voted 400 times. And the Voice, and Keyser Soze. So you three guys are the silent majority. Too bad for the rest of us, you're not actually silent.

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borobuzz

5:13 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Hmmm, sounds like fuzzy math to me. I hope you don’t do your own income tax return. Chances are you don’t pay them anyway. I understand the autopen has been very active lately.

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GetOffMyLawn!

6:35 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

(groans) Thanks for adding to the productive dialog there, buzz.

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borobuzz

7:00 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

My pleasure, G.O.M.L. Nice to see we can all be civil. Now feel free to go back to watching the History Channel and sniffing mothballs.

Jane Q Public

5:27 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

is 10% the new math majority? I say bring on the WAWA.

-getoffmylawn...we do take yoga at the YMCA, now if only there was a place nearby to get a cup of coffee and gas!

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GetOffMyLawn!

6:27 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Don't you know that caffeine can block your chakras? As for the gas... well, Sunoco is right there next to Byberry Road!

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Mary Cummings

9:38 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Let's do the math again, Jane. There are about 3000 homes in Hatboro. 8000 residents. Many of those residents are children. So, if there are 3000 homes, that means there is at least one adult in about one third of homes in Hatboro that oppose the Wawa. And the HRA hasn't even finished collecting signatures.

Tea Kay

5:41 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Silence of course does not equal support. In addition to that Denise, the population of Hatboro is roughly 3,000 households. How many Hatboro school students do we have? Let's subtract that number from the equation....also, we are still getting more as we speak(or rather type) so who knows what the actual # will be. Obviously, the supporters of the Super Wawa don't feel too strongly about it, or they would have gone to the meeting and spoken up. Gas stations are everywhere. Convenience stores are everywhere. Wawas are everywhere. The area is saturated, it is not worth losing Colonial buildings over this. Another buyer with an eye for historic architecture will come along, perhaps sooner than we think. Seems to me that most people are either against it or they don't really care either way.

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Eileen

6:48 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

It's important to remember that the owner of Spa Escape - a thriving business in a well-maintained building has made offers to buy the property. TD Bank, a Canadian business, owns both properties, has no interest in what they look like and wants to sell to someone who will buy both buildings. TD Bank needs to get with the plan, sell the Miller's House, donate the "Old Mill Inn" to Hatboro and be a good neighbor. Time to start letting TD Bank know what we want from them by emailing and letter writing. Also vote with your feet, meaning don't do business with the companies that won't cooperate.

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borobuzz

12:50 pm on Sunday, April 22, 2012

Great idea Eileen, let’s boycott the few remaining business in town. That is the most idiotic statement ever made by a person that claims they want to save their town. I doubt you want what is best, you just want YOUR version of what YOU think is best.

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Theresa Katalinas

7:25 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Eileen,

Just to clarify a point with regard to the bank: TD Bank "owns" both properties because the previous owner defaulted on his mortgage. Otherwise, the structures would be privately owned, as they had been prior to the owner's foreclosure. I would think that TD is just looking to dispose of the properties as quickly as possible. To my knowledge, Wawa is the only entity that expressed interest in both buildings. Wawa reps told me last night that if the new store is built and someone was willing to relocate the buildings they'd be cooperative and in favor of that. I'm not sure of the logistics of doing that, but I'm wondering if that could be an option.

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Tea Kay

7:39 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Eileen -- GOOD point, TD Bank needs to be asked to be a good neighbor. They could probably get their current asking price for just the spa building anyway.

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Mary Cummings

9:40 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

hey boro buzz, when TD bank closes down from us boycotting them, I hear they're going to open a grumpy old man store so you should be happy!

Jack E. Martling

8:28 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

There is a silent , perhaps majortity, in this town that is not so voacl but in support of the wawa. I for one am. Better to have someting on those sites than those old , useless buildings. And to all the people that have all these wonderful ideas about what could be done with those buildings, put up your own money and have a go at it, and good luck.
Here's a thought: let wawa buy those buildings and than the Burough can make a swap. The Burough can trade a parcel of the field accros the street for the buildings. Could be a win win considering that that field sits empty exept for two weeks out of the year for that side show.

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Craig Peters

8:58 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

It's a shame that so much of this discussion has devolved into demagoguery, hyperbole and insult. I also wish there were a way for Patch to enforce that people use their real names and not hide behind fake names and labels; that doesn't help drive the discussion forward.

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Craig Peters

9:03 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

@ChelleF wrote: "How do you feel the economy is turning around (worldwide) and in Hatboro, specifically. I see nothing but vacant properties on York Road. Trader Joe's doesn't think Hatboro is their clientele; Aaron's Rent a Center does. So, please tell me WHAT entrepreneurs, that meet your approval, are looking to fill the spaces of the more then FIFTEEN empty store fronts, in less then one mile of York Road." ... I wonder, though: Does Hatboro really benefit from closing the existing Wawa and moving it down to the end of town so they can add gas pumps? Or does turning the current Wawa into one more (high-profile) empty storefront do more harm to Hatboro in the longer run?

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EE

4:20 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Criag i think the old Wawa is going to stay open.I am sure business there will be down but it will still be good for the people up the north end.I am sure though ,if the new Wawa opens you can say goodbye to the gas station at York and Byberry.Hatboro Deli may even take a hit.A couple memebers from Boro Council were over heard telling residents a Wawa will be better than a methadone clinic.I think that is the same line they used to push through Victorian Village in hopes to scare the residents.Then agian, maybe that what the elected officials see for the future of Hatboro

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Mary Cummings

9:44 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

EE, it was a bit understated at the meeting, but Wawa was clear that they are going to close down the in-town Wawa. It's part of their corporate model now. They were eluding to re-purposing or selling the store to another business.

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EE

4:17 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Thanks Mary,i must have misunderstood.That just means one more vacant building because of Wawa.

GetOffMyLawn!

6:35 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Let me ask this...

IF someone buys the properties and renovates them and brings businesses into them, would that be an acceptable alternative to you pro-Wawa people?

Or are you all dead set on demolishing those buildings to make a point about the march of progress?

There are alternatives at play, and if we as a town WAIT to see what results from this attention (this story was just on Channel 10 news tonight and in the Philly Inquirer). Other, better interested parties may be out there and just haven't realized what we have in our town.

You didn't go off and marry the first person who winked at you did you?

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GetOffMyLawn!

10:12 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

And still no responses from our nuke-the-old-crap-in-our-town faction...

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GetOffMyLawn!

9:43 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

I'm still WAITING for an answer... (I guess they're all too busy bashing to notice a legitimate question)

boro buzz junior

6:59 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

What about the people who own these properties, who have paid taxes on these properties for years, and who have the right to sell the propeties if they need the money? I bet April Regan and the stop Wawa people wouldn't be this vocal if someone was trying to block or limit the sale of their property. Hey April, I think you should give ten percent of the money in your 401K to help feed the hungry in our borough. I think I'll start a new group and curculate a petition calling for you to do this.

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EE

7:47 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

boro, first TD bank owns two of them an i am sure they are financially stable.As far as the "stop Wawa people" you should really do some research on the HRA before you speak, you sound like you are related to certain Boro Council members.The HRA are not here to just stop Wawa.They are in the processes of doing many good things in the Boro.Everyone knows the economy is bad now but to have so many vacant buildings in our community is a result of poor management from our elected officials.You should be asking our elected officials for answers and stop trying to twist things.You are more than welcome to come to the next meeting.The HRA is trying to help. Do you do anything to help this community?April is trying to get involved an help the community that she grew up in.She is not out to stop the sale of a persons home.She is trying to save a historic property,trying to preserve what our town has to offer.Many people already donate money,time or clothing to the less fortunate.How do you know she doesn't already help other?.How much do you give?I myself give clothing ,money and time to the less fortunate.This is bigger than just April.She may have started the ball rolling but their is a large thankful group backing her that work very well together.

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Dolores Forget

10:03 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

The people who own these properties and pay taxes own them under the current zoning, its the current zoning that is holding them back from a quick sale, not the HRA. While we are on the subject of petitions, I think I will start one calling for you to use your real name on Patch -- and see how much you have to say then.

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GetOffMyLawn!

10:10 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Junior - go rock on with your bad self. Print up that petition! Focus your energy on something constructive. Atta boy. Now get back to your homework.

HomeTownHatboro

7:17 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Here is an idea I want to put out there. I read an article on patch a while ago about how the borough is look at fixing up or building a new police station. what they should do is buy this property and either fix up the building next to the spa and make that their police station or knock down the spa and build it there and keep the other building around it. This way that whole end of town could be a nice entrance to hatboro with the town hall a police station and the old buildings. Plus then the police could be right out on york rd. Plus some of the old history if not all would still be there

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April Fox Regan

10:59 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

I think the White Billet would be terrific as a police station -- not sure if it is suitable structurally, but aesthetically and location-wise, that would be great.

Toni Kistner

7:41 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Bottom line: our Borough Council will do what is right for its residents, home and business owners. How many businesses will be adversely affected by a big convenience store moving into town to undersell their products and cost them customers? How many homeowners will lose their property values all along Horsham road and the surrounding neighborhoods? Too many for Boro Council to rightly approve the needed ordinance changes, I'm sure.

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Toni Kistner

8:54 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

...of course, that is assuming that our own Zoning Hearing Board would grant the ordinance/variance changes to begin with - and I doubt they would, as they are fellow citizens. The Chamber wouldn't support this threat to local businesses either....that would be detrimental to the business district and their peers....and Wawa stated the other night that they don't take local governments to court if they don't approve variance changes.

EE

7:58 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

A few weeks ago i made a post on here that Wawa would not be a draw to bring people from other areas to Hatboro.I was wrong!A freind found out what our community is going through an called me.A super Wawa was built in a community new his home.He informed me that with a rise in sales of diesel vehicles Wawa will now be installing diesel pumps in all their new fueling stations.That will be a draw for people to come to Hatboro and they will be driving dump trucks,tractor trailers an other large diesel vehicles 24 hours a day.

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GetOffMyLawn!

10:04 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

I love the smell of diesel fumes in the morning... smells like... (cough cough)... sorry, can't breathe.

GetOffMyLawn!

10:21 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Who do we talk to so we can get a Grumpy Old Man Store in town? Damn straight, I'd shop there.

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April Fox Regan

10:36 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

The Penna Historical Museum Commission just published the results of a comprehensive study that links historic preservation in working class, blighted communities like Hatboro with economic revitalization. Although counter-intuitive to established ways of looking at historic preservation, which has been seen by some as a luxury or anti-revenue, the study revealed that historic preservation stimulates the local economy and boosts property values, which are the bread and butter of small town income via property taxes. Additionally, hist. pres. helped residents hurting in a sagging economy by boosting the value their most important asset -- their homes. The results were so striking that it has been proposed that PA will roll out a new program encouraging hist. preservation as the cornerstone of an economic growth program across the State. New tax incentives are being proposed. Here is the link to the study: http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/historic_preservation/3741

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GetOffMyLawn!

10:52 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

This is why SHE gets in the newspaper and gets sh** moving in this town. If you noisemachines actually put as much effort into doing something good for this town as you do cranking bile into this forum, you might actually make a difference too.

indiana jones

9:21 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

yes. buzz and offspring - pray tell what are you doing to improve life in our quaint borough? anything at all? or just being negative nancy and poo-poo-ing all those who actually DO something. put your money where your mouth is and get off your behind or zip it. the HRA is a group of pro-active and intelligent people who are motivated for all the right reasons. there is absolutely NO reason to have a wawa at this location. not one. flooding. traffic. property values go down. increased loitering and crime. bulldozing 300 year old building. already have convenience stores and gas stations in close proximity.
i can't wait to see buzz jr's petition. and how he/she plans to band together with the 4 other people in the borough who want a wawa here. lol

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GetOffMyLawn!

11:41 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

And I'll circulate a petition to open a Grumpy Old Man store.

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